WIDEX allure versus smart RIC

[atmur]

hi All,
I want to get some hearing aids that have strong gain at 8kHz and 10kHz too. The WIDEX Moment smart RIC and the Allure seem to have about the same gain spectrum. But the MOMENT models have a feature called "high-frequency boost", and in the product specs for Allure they do not list that as a feature. Does this mean that the allure does not provide as much control of high-frequency gain?
Thanks for any insight.

Specs are here: https://www.wsaud.com/widex/ - there doesn't seem to be a way to provide a link to an individual doc.

 

[pvc]

the MOMENT models have a feature called "high-frequency boost", and in the product specs for Allure they do not list that as a feature. Does this mean that the allure does not provide as much control of high-frequency gain?

Pfft - All Tinnitus cures are dubious;

• A high-frequency boost that allows us to have access to extended or extra gain between 6000-10,000Hz, which many patients with very high frequency tinnitus matching find beneficial.
• Source → How Do the Signature Features of Widex EVOKE Support Patients with Tinnitus?

btw: The new AI noise reduction does work to help with Speech in noise!
Clip from DIY School Hearing Aids (v2.2) PDF File named (Big-5 Platforms Chips);

Big-5 Platforms/New Chips
Red = new chip, and = AI
WS Audiology-Sivantos/Signia-Siemens, Rexton, Widex

2025-Q1	Widex Allure	2025-Q1 Allure
2020-Q1	Widex MOMENT	2024-Q1 SMARTRIC is this a bent Signia Styletto? 2022-Q3 Sheer - Same as MOMENT but ReChargeable 2020-Q1 MOMENT 2029-Q1 Sivantos and Widex merge as WS Audiology A/S
2018-Q2	Widex SoundSense	EVOKE

 

[pvc]

I want to get some hearing aids that have strong gain at 8kHz and 10kHz too.

You want to hear dog whistles? See the yellow speech banana below;

 

[atmur]

Hello PVC,
My tinnitus consists of a few high-pitched, more-or-less constant sounds. The primary one is at just about 10kHz. If there is a chance that having more high-pitched noise reach my brain could slow down the worsening of tinnitus, it's worth a try. But also, I play piano, and piano sound is very rich in overtones - way higher than 1kHz (the top note is 4.2kHz, but piano sounds have overtones higher than that). I want to be able to hear all of that as well as possible. And actually any natural sound has high frequency content - only very simple tones don't have overtones. So a truck engine for example will have a very complicated frequency spectrum with very high sounds in it, though most of the energy is in the low tones for sure.

I'm not really worried about speech at this point - I don't have much trouble with that. My hearing is pretty good up to 4kHz, and then it plummets.
-Atm

 

[pvc]

You cannot make any DIY self-programming changes to the Allure models. See this Topic → WIDEX going to web-based fitting software

 

[OcramSagev]

hi All,
I want to get some hearing aids that have strong gain at 8kHz and 10kHz too. The WIDEX Moment smart RIC and the Allure seem to have about the same gain spectrum. But the MOMENT models have a feature called "high-frequency boost", and in the product specs for Allure they do not list that as a feature. Does this mean that the allure does not provide as much control of high-frequency gain?
Thanks for any insight.

Specs are here: https://www.wsaud.com/widex/ - there doesn't seem to be a way to provide a link to an individual doc.

I recently got A Widex SmartRIC 440 (I got them for $500 with new receivers @ eBay) and I've used the high-frequency boost option when I set them up and it made my setup much easier! (I have ski-slope hearing loss).

The Widex fitting formula sets gains at 6kHz and 8kHz "low" for high frequency loss. A review on hearingadvisor.com shows this (Link below). The high-frequency boost option raises the gain to a higher value if the user values the sound of music, birds, leaves, etc (This is how it is explained in the software). I personally love this option and the sound I got. Music sounds awesome!! Without this option, programmers must manually set the values if higher values at 6,8Khz are desired.

However, for us the DIY guys, this is irrelevant because, as @pvc said, the Allure cannot be programmed with the stand-alone Widex software. This new cloud version is restricted to Widex approved partners. There is a video on youtube where the audiologist says that the Widex cloud programming software has fewer features than the standalone version (and she was not happy about that).

On the 10K: The software does not allow you to set the gain values above 8K. The software sets some gain above 8khz but I have no clue how the values are computed. The audiogram and in-situ do not take values above 8K.

Pics below show the difference between using the high-frequency boost vs not using it.

Widex Moment Expert Review

The Widex Moment is a premium Rx hearing aid that fits behind the ear and uses rechargeable batteries. It achieved a SoundGrade of A and sits in the top 30% of devices in the prescription category and in the top 20% of all devices tested.

www.hearadvisor.com